GC3YFAX - That Elvis Puzzle
By: TheKing
1. Here is the puzzle.
Geocache Description:
Additional Hints (Encrypt)
youaintnothinbutahoundogg-tmb'sfavoritetypeofhide
2. Solve the puzzle.
The first thing to notice is that there is a number grid buried in the rotating photo gif. If you use a screen-capture tool (we like TechSmith Snagit, but you can use anything including PrtScrn) you can capture the image of the numbers.
The next thing to figure out is just what the heck all those numbers are. Staring at the graphic gives some interesting information, but doesn't seem to lead to a solution.
Here is what you can see in the grid, as-is.
- Several of the numbers repeat.
- Sometimes the repeating numbers are one after another, and sometimes they are spread far apart.
- The top number (1125899906842623) is also the bottom number, and occurs once more in the middle.
- If you count the number of rows between each occurrence of that first number, there are 7 rows between the first 1125899906842623 and second 1125899906842623, and there are 8 rows between the second 1125899906842623 and the last 1125899906842623. That conveniently is the same number of digits in the Coordinates for North and West (i.e. N 12° 34.567 W 123° 45.678).
The next step is to scan the rows and columns of numbers left and right, top to bottom and bottom to top, and then diagonaly, looking for embedded values that could be interpreted as Coordinates. Specifically, you would be looking for something akin to the posted coordinates, N 40° 05.915 W 082° 25.415. After a few false starts its easy to see this goes nowhere.
So the next step is to start using the standard tools to break this down, or build it up, or whatever you need to do with it. The most obvious two to start with are:
- Google Search
- Base Conversion
As it turns out, both of these yield some very interesting information. Searching for the first string of numbers tells you quickly that the internet (and a surprisingly vast number of non-technical areas) seems simply fascinated with this number.
The number 1125899906842623 is equal to 2^50 - 1. Searching for every other string leads to zippo. Zilch. Nada. There are a lot of other references to the number 1125899906842623, and if you search diligently, you will find yourself navigating to sites where Base Conversions can be performed.
Converting the number 1125899906842623 to Hexadecimal, for example, gives you the value 3FFFFFFFFFFFF. That in itself is interesting. But the rest of the numbers, when converted to Hexadecimal don't really give much information.
3FFFFFFFFFFFF |
201BFE0180601 |
2FDBFEFDBF6FD |
2FDBFEFDBF6FD |
2FD8060180601 |
2FDBF7FDBF6FD |
2FDBF7FDBF6FD |
201807FD80601 |
3FFFFFFFFFFFF |
2018060180601 |
3FDBFFFDFF7FD |
3FDBFFFDFF7FD |
201807FDFF601 |
2FFFF7FDFF7FD |
2FFFF7FDFF7FD |
2FFFF7FDFF7FD |
201807FDFF601 |
3FFFFFFFFFFFF |
There is one string of numbers that is ALL numbers, i.e. there are no alpha characters, but they look nothing like a coordinate for either North or West.
Then I noticed a curious fixation on the numbers 80601 (notice how many times they are repeated in the number sequences above). Even so, I just couldn't turn this into anything.
This is where the best puzzle-cracking method of all was applied.
PHONE A FRIEND!!
One of the puzzlers from the group (Pharmdog) was PAINFULLY close to cracking this one. He even suggested using a grid, which was a critical part of the final solve. He suggested converting the numbers from Hexadecimal to Binary and seeing what that produced. His number strings can be seen below in the comments, but it led to a dead end.
We did contact the CO, and a couple previous finders for a hint, but before we actually got anything back, our perspicacious puzzle pal Purple Turtlez cracked the code and solved the mystery.
The final answer (drumroll please) is to convert the numbers from DECIMAL to BINARY.
That gives you, first, the numbers in this order:
11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
10000000011011111111100000000110000000011000000001 |
10111111011011111111101111110110111111011011111101 |
10111111011011111111101111110110111111011011111101 |
10111111011000000001100000000110000000011000000001 |
10111111011011111101111111110110111111011011111101 |
10111111011011111101111111110110111111011011111101 |
10000000011000000001111111110110000000011000000001 |
11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
10000000011000000001100000000110000000011000000001 |
11111111011011111111111111110111111111011111111101 |
11111111011011111111111111110111111111011111111101 |
10000000011000000001111111110111111111011000000001 |
10111111111111111101111111110111111111011111111101 |
10111111111111111101111111110111111111011111111101 |
10111111111111111101111111110111111111011111111101 |
10000000011000000001111111110111111111011000000001 |
11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
If you think you're starting to see wavy lines, or some sort of hidden message, you are.
If you highlight only the zeroes in the puzzle, the solution jumps right out at you.
3. Check your coordinates
There is a geochecker on this puzzle, but seriously, once you get the right answer, do you really need the geochecker?
Yes! This is why!!!
If you look at the solved coordinates on Google Maps, you find yourself in... a mud puddle in a dirt driveway. The Geocheck page gives you this interesting additional bit of information:
The original hide was on a guard rail that had been present for decades. Between the posting of the cache and the second to find, the guard rail was removed. A new guard rail was placed just northwest of the puzzle coordinates. The container is now on that rail. Should be an easy find!
Final Coordinates: N 40° 06.988 W 082° 25.773
Nice work, everyone!!
Happy caching!!
Posted Coordinates:
ReplyDeleteN 40° 05.915' W 082° 25.415'
Limits:
North Coordinate must be between
N 40 04.176 and N 40 07.654
West Coordinates must be between
W 082 23.151 and W 082 27.679
There is already a Letterbox Hybrid geocache that eliminates most of, but not ALL of, nearby Evans Family Park, just from the posted coordinates. Conceivably, there is room in that park for another cache, but it's unlikely.
ReplyDeleteThe cache 'owner' appears to be an alter-ego of a local cacher. They have a small number of Mystery and Multi-hides, and absolutely NO finds. They are clearly trying to hide who they really are. It is described as a 'favorite' kind of hide for Team Monkeyboy (tmb), so it might be worth noting some of their finds/logs to see if that helps anything. (Up a tree?)
ReplyDeleteIt's also interesting to note that KING road is close by, and within the two-mile range. There is also a Walmart, making for perfectly good Lamppost caches.
ReplyDeleteThe large wooded area next to King Road would be approximately N 40 04.743, W 82 26.760
0564600833050113
ReplyDelete0564601365726721
0564601366246913
0564601366246913
0564873563473409
0841677763249665
0841948879124221
0841948879124221
0841950758172413
0841950758172413
0844422780549117
0844422780549117
0844422780549117
1123426003580925
1123426003580925
1125899906842623
1125899906842623
1125899906842623
Numbers in numerical sequence
Numbers in original sequence
ReplyDelete1125899906842623
0564873563473409
0841950758172413
0841950758172413
0841677763249665
0841948879124221
0841948879124221
0564601365726721
1125899906842623
0564600833050113
1123426003580925
1123426003580925
0564601366246913
0844422780549117
0844422780549117
0844422780549117
0564601366246913
1125899906842623
After researching what is known about Elvis, I believe the puzzle has nothing to do with Elvis. I believe that one needs to transform numbers from one system to the next.
ReplyDeleteTrying to figure out why some group of numbers are repeated. Contacted CO with a few questions, nothing back yet.
ReplyDeleteBonny, hope you get some help, because this puzzle is driving me nuts!
ReplyDeleteThis is what I received from TMB. I can tell you to google the string of numbers line by line. There's a significance in all (or at least some) of them that will point you in the right direction. You'll end up converting then interpreting.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the solution is converting hex to decimal. Now I need some grid paper.
ReplyDeleteWell - I converted 1125899906842623 to Hexadecimal and I got 3FFFFFFFFFFFF, which is very interesting, but then I converted 0564873563473409 and got 201BFE0180601 which is a lot less interesting. I'll let you now how things turn out.
DeleteYeah Baby!!!! You cracked the code!!
DeleteMr. RT is rounding the bend on the solution. And it's not even 1:00 am yet. LOL
Dang! I jumped the gun. He's not there yet.
Delete12:35 am and counting... :-p
Hmm. Well - the Google search came up empty except for the very highest number. The number 1125899906842623 is equal to 2^50-1, and there appears to be a LOT of literature about that particular number.
ReplyDeleteNumbers in Hexadecimal
ReplyDelete3FFFFFFFFFFFF
201BFE0180601
2FDBFEFDBF6FD
2FDBFEFDBF6FD
2FD8060180601
2FDBF7FDBF6FD
2FDBF7FDBF6FD
201807FD80601
3FFFFFFFFFFFF
2018060180601
3FDBFFFDFF7FD
3FDBFFFDFF7FD
201807FDFF601
2FFFF7FDFF7FD
2FFFF7FDFF7FD
2FFFF7FDFF7FD
201807FDFF601
3FFFFFFFFFFFF
Note that they are broken out into two groups: the first group has enough lines to give you a North Coordinate, and the second group gives you enough lines for the West Coordinate.
Seems to be a fixation on the pattern 80601, or maybe 018061
ReplyDeleteElvis died 08/16/77
ReplyDeleteSorry! I accidentally clicked the wrong box, and Elvis temporarily left the building. LOL
ReplyDeletePharmdog contacted me earlier today asking why the puzzle had been removed. It wasn't, but it was invisible for a while. He also sent me these numbers:
ReplyDeleteI went ahead and converted each row of numbers from hexadecimal to decimal and got:
1235544963115394595
388584131229332489
594920484564837395
594920484564837395
37179399214503525
594919939657318945
594919939657318945
388541104283346721
1235544963115394595
388541056192676115
1234903702970042661
1234903702970042661
388541104295012627
595673788143931671
595673788143931671
595673788143931671
388541104295012627
1235544963115394595
What if it's do hex but binary? Going to try the numbers that way. I will see what happens.
ReplyDeleteI don't think hex to binary is going to work. Already tried that route. I still believe the solution is hex to decimal. I believe somehow I need to place these numbers in a grid once I figure out how to arrange them. I believe the solution will be buried in the grid.
ReplyDeleteYou were so closes with the grid idea. I wish we had seen this idea earlier. It's an epiphany type of idea, and the solution to the problem.
DeleteI read this log after we knew the method to the madness. You were right on track!
Wow!!!! Purple Turtlez is AWSOME!!! She cracked the code!!!
ReplyDelete!!! WooHoo !!!
Mr RT is getting to work on it right now, to see if we can Succeed too! Whew! This was a real head banger.
ReplyDeleteWay to go PT. You're the Best!
Mr RT converted the numbers to binary strings. Now he is setting up a grid and putting each set of binary strings in its own row, using ALL of the digits. It might be turning into something recognizable.
ReplyDeleteWe got it too! This is an amazingly clever puzzle.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe I had the solution in my hands about 1 week ago. I converted the numbers from decimal to binary but did not see the solution!!!!
ReplyDelete